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Dear Uncle, How does a repatriated TCK like me go about making friends?

Dear Uncle,

Like a lot of TCKs, I have a hard time making friends. As a repatriated American, I’ve made it more difficult for myself by not being a drinker. (I don’t hang out with my coworkers en masse because that would mean barhopping, which I don’t want to do.)I’m casually friendly with a lot of people, but I can’t push any of these casual friendships over into real friendship territory.

Also, when I do find someone who I see outside of work, I tend to sabotage the friendship by thinking of all the reasons why the person isn’t really going to be my friend. I.e., they already have a lot of friends and don’t need me, or they’re emotionally damaged and can’t support me the way I need to be supported by a friend. This is unfair to my potential friends and unfair to me, but I always do it.

I have a pretty good idea why I am the way I am, but I don’t know how to get over it. How does a TCK like me go about making friends?

Thanks

Dear Nika,

I find that it’s not necessary to be a drinker to make friends. It just gives you fewer excuses to open a conversation.

In my experience, sometimes just time with other people creates friendships by itself. I mean this in that shared experience brings people together, and time spent inevitably brings shared experience. There’s nothing like feeling like someone else was there to feel what you did at a particular time, in a particular place.

Likewise, if you can track down ATCKs where you live, there’s a sense of shared experience between any of them. It can make a big difference in how easy it is to approach them.

But you want closer friends, and real friendships. This is when it becomes harder to define, because most people don’t know what makes a very good friend, but they can tell you when they have one.

And I think good friends can come from people who share your background as well as those who don’t, because it doesn’t affect the quality of people. So in the end I think it comes from a certain level of trial and error.

Surface judgments are rarely accurate, but when you’re open-minded, a great many people are decent in the end, because there are basic things everyone has in common. Outside of crazy, unlucky cases, people tend to want to do well in life, have fun, make friends, and get on with things.

My recommendation is to find people you like when you first meet them. And then make a point of investing time into them. Get to know them, spend some time with them, and use your head.

You said you have trouble committing though, and I think that’s something a lot of us feel. On one hand, you already feel committed to friends far away and long past. It’s hard to commit to more people when you already feel committed elsewhere. It feels like betrayal. On the other hand, here are a bunch of people from a culture you’re not entirely comfortable with, and they’re unconsciously expecting you to be somewhat like them when you know you’re different.

I think the difficulty of making friends comes from problems of perception. Like you said, you come up with reasons why people wouldn’t want to talk to you. It could be their fault, it might not be, but I think the idea of giving people the benefit of doubt is the best way to go. Instead of thinking people don’t want to talk to you, think that they really wouldn’t mind, if not for this and that.

So let’s summarize: See if you can find fellow ATCKs, because it’s easier to relate to them. If you find some you particularly enjoy the company of, commit some time to them. If you have a hard time doing it, just consciously make that effort. Remind yourself that there are reasons you enjoy their company in the first place, and that there are very few good reasons why they wouldn’t want to talk to you.

This is a tough topic, and I think I rambled a lot, but I hope this was useful to you.

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  • Miriam
    I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your posts. It makes me feel somewhat normal...I felt like my heart turned into a rock 4 years ago when I left my boarding school and friends. I thought I was being strong and believed this for quite a long time. But now I feel like I don't have any real emotions anymore. People and places just come and go and I couldn't care less...that's just what life's like right? Its easy for me to "make friends" and "get to know people" but I never feel like I "connect" to them (I don't know what any of those words/phrases actually mean). I try my best to share myself with other people (actually, I tend to always go overboard on this) and to encourage them to do the same because I keep hoping I'll make friendships like the ones I had (and still have) from my boarding school but at the end of the day I always feel completely disconnected from everyone around me. I hate being like this because it feels so superficial and so unloving but I don't know how to 'fix' it. I've been asking the same question of "what is a friend?" for months now. Thanks for sharing all your feelings/experiences and for letting me know this problem can be overcome!!!
  • Uncle Dan
    To me, friendships are the result of interaction with people. I say this as a person who can generally find something to like about most people, so that possibly makes me biased.

    I'm constantly aware of how human people are: that they can make mistakes, that they can be ignorant, that they don't always make good decisions for good reasons, and that that all of that doesn't necessarily make them terrible people.

    Back to Kayla's experience in that high school... I would hate that. I would probably have trouble there too. But I would hate the community and the society that created it, not the individual people, who only seem to be continuing what they've always known.
  • Ayako
    To me, a friend is someone who at least has the intention to help when you're in trouble or feeling down. Acquaintances who are there to party or drink with you but are never there when things go south are called 'fair weather friends'.

    I say intention to help because people can't always help you. Depending on the nature of the problem people have limited capacities to help - so if it's beyond them, one shouldn't hold it against them.

    Even if you're not close to the person, if someone repeatedly helps you find a job when you can't or gives you a lift home when they run into you in town - doesn't that make them a friend of sorts?

    As for close friends, I think this is something that just happens or doesn't and it gets tested over time.

    Friendships are difficult though, because a person's concept of 'friendship' and what they are expected to do can be very different! It's pretty much a sort of very annoying culture clash when this happens and sometimes it hammers the last nail into the coffin.
  • Brice
    Define friends? Hmm... well a true friend would be a single soul dwelling in two bodies but those are hard to find.

    My definition of a true friend comes from my favorite friendship story. I plan to read it to my kids. :)


    -----


    There were two close friends who had been parted by war so that they lived in different kingdoms. Once one of them came to visit his friend, and because he came from the city of the king's enemy, he was imprisoned and sentenced to be executed as a spy.

    No amount of pleas would save him, so he begged the king for one kindness.


    "Your Majesty," he said, "let me have just one month to return to my land and put my affairs in order so my family will be cared for after my death. At the end of the month I will return to pay the penalty."



    "How can I believe you will return?" answered the king. "What security can you offer?"



    "My friend will be my security," said the man. "He will pay for my life with his if I do not return."



    The king called in the man's friend, and to his amazement, the friend agreed to the conditions.



    On the last day of the month, the sun was setting, and the man had not yet returned. The king ordered his friend killed in his stead. As the sword was about to descend, the man returned and quickly placed the sword on his own neck. But his friend stopped him.



    "Let me die for you," he pleaded.



    The king was deeply moved. He ordered the sword taken away and pardoned them both.



    "Since there is such great love and friendship between the two of you," he said, "I entreat you to let me join you as a third." And from that day on they became the king's companions.

    And it was in this spirit that our sages of blessed memory said, "Get yourself a companion" [Mishnah Avot 1:6].
  • define friends.

    every time I use the word, I laugh.

    and as someone said above, "best friends? what's that?"

    exactly.

    at what point does an acquaintance become a friend?

    awesome observances/experiences, by the way. I find myself relating to all of you... a very rare thing, I might add. brought me back to a high school I went to--a teacher found me in the sick room shaking and apologized for my classmates, saying, "I'm sorry... this is just how it goes--they will put you through a year of hell before deciding if you get to be included in their group. And if they decide that you're not enough for them, you will go through hell until you graduate." I spent a total of three months in that school.
  • Brice
    This thread is very helpful, sometimes I go back to re-read parts of it and I learn something new. Just what I needed right now!

    I wonder if anyone has managed to make local friends and how that worked out? I'd love to hear it.
  • Reading these comments I can definitely relate to the lack of deep friendships. I'm not entirely sure what my 'problem' is, but I know that I have several of the previously mentioned issues - not committing myself to friendships, lack of trust, etc.

    But what I noticed is that a lot of you mentioned boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands. And my question is how did you meet these people? Personally I struggle in the girlfriend department as well as the friend department, for the same reasons. Is this just me?

    I've been thinking about this lately and there's more to it which I could post, but I think I'll leave it at that for now... maybe I'll post more later, in a separate post.
  • Cynthia
    Nika have you met anyone who is a TCK in Chicago? Maybe if you meet someone who's a TCK and who totally understands you that may perhaps help you open up a little?

    I know for me if I meet someone who is just like me I find it hard to keep everything inside. It's like you found someone who can totally relate to you without you having to explain everything.
  • Uncle Dan
    That's also an interesting point of view... I hadn't thought of that way. But I felt it was elitist because you're saying in a way, "no one else is worth knowing." I don't entirely believe in the duality of Few Best Friends vs. Many Eh Friends, because part of me feels that people aren't up for the effort. There's a grain of truth in it, because there's only so much time in a day and a life, but the fact that people have this idea in their heads doesn't help at all.

    I'm going through some of the same feelings... Because even though I really love my friends, and I really do have a great time with them... Very few of them are there for me when I have problems. Not because they wouldn't want to be, but they don't know me well enough, or aren't around me often enough, to ask about it. Sometimes I figure that as far as they're concerned I have no problems.

    What I think is important is that when you find people you like, spend time with them. Make a point of it. Work up the ability to casually ask them if they want to go for coffee, or something like that. The more you learn, the more they learn, the closer you become.
  • Brice
    Nika, "I don't have close friends because I don't like to share myself. I don't trust other people to understand or support me. "

    I honestly think this is the problem. Here's what I've learned and kept in my notes during a research I made on the topic some time ago.

    1) You're not alone!! 40% of TCKs struggle with a fear of intimacy because of the fear of loss. Just like you, too many of their friends have moved away. So we end up having very superficial friendships, and we're not willing to risk deep emotional involvement again.

    2) Some TCKs try to limit their vulnerability by refusing to acknowledge they care for anyone or anything. (But the pain of loneliness is actually greater)

    3) A common response we have to avoid the pain of losing a relationship is a "quick release". We stop calling, visiting, or seeing someone when we're about to leave.

    4) Another response is refusing to feel the pain. So we tend to not acknowledge the hurt to others or ourselves. We don't like long goodbyes, in fact sometimes we don't even say goodbye.

    And to be honest, I think many of us have a problem with detachment. When there's a prolonged absence from parents or long term friends early age, we go through detachment to cope with that loss.

    I know TCKs who have learned how to deal with those relationship issues, and they're much happier because of it. So it is possible, we just need to become more skilled at going through the transition of making and losing friends.
  • Dan, I live in a densely populated neighborhood in the middle of Chicago.

    My husband is my best friend. He's great, and having him means I'll never really be alone. But I still get lonely. He and I don't always agree on things, and sometimes I'd like a girl friend to talk to.

    Dan, you mentioned feeling that having one or two very close friends was elitist. That's an interesting way of thinking of it - it's more egalitarian to have multiple friends who are not as close?

    I feel like being alone is elitist. I don't have close friends because I don't like to share myself. I don't trust other people to understand or support me. I do have a lot of casual friends at work, but they know very little about who I really am.

    Earlier this year my husband had to undergo surgery to remove a tumor. For a few weeks, the doctors were afraid it might be cancer. (It wasn't.) That was an incredibly hard thing to go through without friends. My husband and I leaned on each other, but there were things I couldn't say to him, fears I didn't want to share because I needed to support him instead of feeding into his own concerns.

    Most of my coworkers were completely unaware. My boss knew, because I had to take time off work, but I had no shoulders to cry on. And even if anyone had offered, I have no idea how to let my guard down that way.

    It's not meeting people that's the problem. It's moving past casual friendship into real, substantial friendship that I can't do.
  • djiboutigirl
    I've had several "best friends". I've been in college 5 semesters... and have had 5 different best friends.
    I do have the few tck "best friends" that I never really talk to or keep in touch with, but when I do e-mail/call them, it's like old times again.
    That depresses me some days. a lot of days actually.
  • Cynthia
    "Best friends" eh? What's that? LOL

    Yea I never called anyone my "best friend" all my life. I was called a "best friend" once but that title got removed because apparently the girl told me she didn't trust me LOL Yes it was horrible and I had no idea what to do. I was in grade 4. And from then on I realized that "best friends" come from trust and I just couldn't trust anyone - no one was ever there for me. Only once in a while did a few asked but that was it. They never came back LOL

    But, I've moved on...kids are kids right?

    And like Brice, my bf is my best friend...the first person I can actually call best friend...and I met him when I was 19 LOL
  • Isa
    I feel ya re: the best friend deal. I find it hard to get close to people because i think that i will leave them or they will leave me in the end.
  • warona
    oh, and dan. i can relate. but i do have a best friend, i have 2 in fact. one is tck, and so we have managed to stay close all these years because we know distance is just that. distance. and also we have been lucky enough to end up close to each other. in our teens, although i was in boardign school, i would go home to botswana for the holidays, and she lived just down the street, then we were 4 hours away from each other in the states for college, she repatriated to bots 2 years after i did, and now i am here in MTL ans she is in DC. the other is a GN, she lives in south africa now, but we email all the time.

    but i still want a best friend here. someone i can go for coffee with and chat to, and have a drink with and hang out at her house etc. especially in times like these when my bf leaves me and takes the computer!
  • warona
    nika, i would try looking on the internet for groups that target new people in your city or town. or looking for book clubs maybe? when i repatriated to botswana as an adult i had a difficult time but i found this book club and it was really cool. we had members from different countries and people were genuinely interested in other people's experience, not judgemental.

    if you can,t find any, try postin an ad and starting one. and you can go to a bar but not drink alcohol.

    or, you can do what i did and hang out outside the U.n building and follow them to wherever they hang out and ambush them! hahahhahahahahaha!

    kidding

    not
  • Brice
    Dan, I feel for you. I've been there and it's one of the biggest reasons why I'm so persistent in settling -- and working on close friendships. Honestly, my best friend is my girlfriend and I always confide in her and I know she's there for me. But we all need one or two trustworthy friends who care enough to be there.
  • Uncle Dan
    And I might just be feeling down tonight, but I did realize that wherever I am, I never have a best friend, at least anymore. In some ways I like it, in some ways I don't. I don't like elitism, and in a sense you get tied down with commitment to just one or two friends... But on the other hand, at least there's someone who cares enough about you to always be willing to listen to you.

    When I have something on mind, I end up in my room, pushing the stress away. It feels like either no one cares enough, or no one knows me well enough to think I might occasionally need a shoulder to lean on myself.

    It supports the idea that people go about their lives relatively blissfully unaware of most of the things around them... Which is normal, because being aware of everything probably brings about insanity... but it does bring the fact to light that there's a lot that goes on that people never hear about.

    You go shopping, and on the way you meet a friend. They smile, say hi, and move on. But who knows? Maybe it was genuine and they had something great on their mind. Maybe they were being polite and brooding inside. Considering how little people see beyond my face, I wonder how much I'm not seeing.
  • Uncle Dan
    Just out of curiosity Nika, do you live in a city or a town? How hard is it to reach a mid-sized or large population centre?

    I find that the closer and easier it is to find one of these, the easier it is to find more open-minded people and social groups that vary from what you find locally around you. Small towns aren't often the best examples of flexible, relatively adventurous people who differ from the norm.
  • Thank you all for your responses.

    Dan, you're right that I need to spend time with people and commit to it. I have a really hard time with that. In my experience, not drinking does make it a lot harder. The only time I see anyone is at work, and in my demographic people only see each other socially when they're drinking. I've been trying to get to know more married people - to move socially into a more mature demographic - but I haven't had much luck so far. And apparently drinking to intoxication is a major American hobby. When I was a teenager in Germany all my friends drank (legally), but it was relatively light drinking. It wasn't the primary activity. The married couples I've met here are just as likely to need to drink in order to socialize as the single people I know. It sucks.

    As for finding other ATCKs - I'll try. It's good advice.

    Cynthia, I don't really have negative thoughts. I think pretty highly of myself. ;) But I do think a lot about how whoever I'm trying to befriend isn't going to be there for me, or can't possibly understand me, or will let me down in some terrible way. I believe that people like me, but I don't believe that they'll stand by me. I've been a shoulder for a lot of people to cry on, but when I've needed help I tend to be on my own.

    Which brings me to Brice. I definitely have abandonment issues. A big part of that is having lived in one place while all my friends rotated out every two years. When I was a kid, all my friends always left me. As a teenager and adult, I just ran into some really bad luck. Several people who I trusted took advantage of my support, and basically ditched me once they got what they needed from me. Now I'm reluctant to offer any vulnerability, and I still don't expect friendships to be long term, anyway.

    Julie, my husband has given me very similar advice. I wish I knew more people with similar interests. (Apparently Americans don't read very much.) I need to find some ATCKs who read books, make comics, and don't need to drink in order to socialize. My husband thinks I need to open up and invest with people whether or not we have much in common. He says that's the only way to really get to know and be friends with someone, and friendships are generally more accidental than planned.

    I'm trying. Thank you all for your advice. Dan, this column is a great idea, and you're doing wonderfully so far.
  • Julie
    I agree that it is hard to make real friends when you are always not quite committing everything to the friendship...i really struggle with this also sometimes because I find it hard to trust that even if I move on we can still be friends. I have very few close friends but I am trying to hold on to the ones I have even when we move apart. You don't have to drink to make friends you jsut have to find others who have similar interests to you. Then you have to invest in the friendships and work on them. Don't expect others to help much they often have thier own friends and even though they are nice people it jsut never occurs to them that you may be trying to find friends as they have had all of theres for years and jsut expect you have yours too. Try to open up a bit you will be surprised to find out how interested they may be in you. When you jsut need someone to talk to we are all here too but it is not quite the same thing.
  • Brice
    Good answer by Uncle.

    Here's my 2 cents to anyone who's reading this.

    If you "sabotage the friendship" then my advice is try to explore whether you have a fear of intimacy or commitment issue.

    We sabotage many friendships when there's a reluctance to open up and reveal our true self, especially if you've been hurt in the past.

    If we bring those defenses up in a relationship and withdraw personal information, or make up excuses just to protect ourselves from emotional pain ... well, we'll just have fair-weather friends.

    So how do we overcome a fear of intimacy? That could possibly be another thread, but I think it starts by breaking down our defenses.
  • Cynthia
    "I tend to sabotage the friendship by thinking of all the reasons why the person isn't really going to be my friend"

    Nika, I am struggling to get myself out of that situation. I am not repatriating (I consider Shanghai to be different from Taipei) but being amongst Chinese and many Taiwanese people here, it almost feels like it.

    It's tough when I grew up with all these negative thoughts. I always feel people don't really like me or they are only talking to me because they feel sorry for me by myself or they are just being nice to me because they are being nice to everyone. It's not me they want to be with, it's just the overall generosity they have.

    And I become very surprised when people actually want to get to know me the 2nd, 3rd, 4th times and so on. I still feel this way. A friend that I met recently actually complimented me as a person - that I am fun to be with and easy to talk to etc. And I still cannot get over the fact that that's what he said. And another friend actually cared that I hang out more because I did unintentionally complained that I didn't know anyone here and felt quite lonely.

    And yet the thoughts that "they are just being nice to me" are always there. Still trying to push away those thoughts and actually try to make myself feel important for once. It's hard...but I think there is a small change - a change, but small.

    I hope you are able to do it too :)
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